I think Hoster since and maybe the wheel or fire for before. Seriously though, I go to another show just to help support them a little and they run from a player swapping cd-gs all night. Cheaper mikes and sound system. The show is slower and they are much too busy to keep up with the rotation well. Hoster is soooo sweet. I had 36 singers last Friday night and running the rotation was a breeze. Don't we just love our Hoster?