admin this is my last post on this topic
 

first of all you said
and with MTU's help, moved to other computers if an emergency arises.
let me tell you this is the first time you have ever said this to me or any one else I know of

2nd there has been so much said in this topic over the last year
who knows what to believe

3rd I just gave my opinion here it looks like that was wrong to do
so please don't take this wrong but remove all!!! my post in the thread named
how to prevent employee theft by coping hard drive

I am done with this thread

by the way David please come visit me in wash d.c. ill be glad to take you around and show you what the norm is here and in NY city I can think of about 4 companies and about 40 djs/kj who have the type of systems I posted in prev post

I don't under stand how you can say I am way out of the norm
iv only been selling them there audio gear for 10 years and before that I use to be the Washington rep for some major audio manufacture
I love testing hoster and from this point on that is just where ill stay
do you really know what the norm is
fact
most booking agents in md /dc require the dj/kj to take a full back up system in order to get the gig
fact
if they go to the gig with out a back and they go down they don't get paid
fact
some companies here are offering 3 times your money back if the systems fail
so in a nut shell if the dj/kj goes to the show with no back up and the system goes down
he or she has to pay the 3 times the money back to the booking
company

so I am not sure were or what you based telling me I am not the norm but in this case and in my 3 state area your wrong

that being said I would like to drop this whole thing
and move on please there are more important things going on


thank you very much all have a good night mike

My point is based on ONE FACT
 

Mike, I apologize in this thread if I have offended you. Your input and answers are apreciated, when they are not demanding. I guess it is your written word that is the problem, not your knowledge.

As to my comment that you are out of the norm, that was based on one fact you stated, and have been pushing for: You want THREE systems to run the same Hoster.

The wonderful, factual example you gave above very clearly requires Hoster to be on TWO systems, not THREE. That is the difference in our postions.

By listening to your and others requests in this thread, on February 18, 2004 in 15 seconds our web master changed the number of permissions to install Hoster from 1 to 2. I did this after much heart searching, discussions with our programmers, MTU sales and MTU support. It was NOT an easy decision. It also makes it far more difficult for MTU to now move in a direction where we have been "The Visionary" for 5 years.

However, to add more complexity to our Installation program to allow TRANSFERRING Hoster from one computer to another (assuming the one is running! :r), is FAR more complex, would take a LOOOOONE time to beta test and get the bugs out, and the Lord only knows how we have "abused" you and our other beta testers on working out the bugs in our security. :e :r

Thus, the simple way out was to allow everyone to install Hoster on 2 computers.

Mike, I hope you will not abandon posting in the Forums. My point was simply running Hoster on 2 versus 3 computers.

admin
 

I did not ask you in this thread for hoster to run on 3 computers
I was just making a point about locking songs to 1
and that would hurt a lot of people

future more you blasted my post in this thread as if any thing I said was wrong

now I will say this for everyone to see were I stand on this

I think you giving 2 hosters for 1 reg. is wrong I think that is to much

I would like you to keep getting as much as you can for 1 hoster

and sell us a strip down player for maybe 50-100 dollars that way every one can have a play ver on all there computers and there is no need for a back up copy of hoster

and if you sell a strip down player. the requirements for CPU should
be under 1 gig maybe??

so you buy 1 ver of hoster at reg. price
and then you buy four or five players to do your shows on
or just sell us 2 players for every 1 hoster
if you buy hoster the player would be 50 dollars
if you did not buy hoster the player would be 100 dollars

now if this cant be done ok ill get over it life goes on

but I think now everyone will get the point as in too what I was thinking instead of you making it sound like I was demanding it

but ask your self this
we buy a bulldozer to do the work (hoster full ver)

and then we by the dump truck to do the show ( hoster player)

now does this make sense to anyone or do I just live in la la land any way got to go work to be done see you all later mike

Re: Hoster Player
 

Mike,

Let me put into my words what I think you stated in your last post.

Example:
I buy one set of original CDG's, make 3 copies and now I can run up to 4 shows (illeagl of course).

Now I buy one copy of Hoster, make one set of kms files, copy the kma files three times, now I can run up to 4 shows if I have 1 original Hoster and three "Hoster Player's" (illegal again).

This is how the post read for me. Is this what you ment? Iam just trying to understand this sticky security issue.

Gary

Now you lost me, Gary.

Why is it any more illegal to do what Mike is proposing than to do what ADMIN is proposing?

They are both talking about using more than one machine, whether it's two or three or a dozen shouldn't have any bearing on the legality of it.

The KJ has still only purchased one set of original cdg's, but has installed them on more than one machine.

If I were that position, I'd have nothing but the songlist folder on a USB hard drive, with Hoster on two machines, one for primary use, and one for back up.

The full and strip down versions of Hoster would be ideal in that situation.

George

George, you're right.
I was looking at the "Hoster Player" idea. Doesn't seem to solve the problem. But being able to install Hoster on two computers is basically the same situation.

If my laptop goes down, I have to use CDG's until the computer is fixed. Then I re-install Hoster and I off and running again. It would be nice to have a second laptop with Hoster installed for a backup but not on my budget:) .

Gary

to all
 

let me say this slow so every one will follow

tonight have a show and Tue and wed with me so far (good)
now were are only talking 1 hard drive to do this with and its a usb ok still with me (good)

I own 3 computer a laptop,lunch box that has an internal DJ hard drive for dj music and a rack mount built computer in to a rack for big shows
ok still with me (good)

tonight show is in a very small room no space so I take my laptop and the hard drive to do that show and as a back up I take the lunch box .
get the point so far were are still only using 1 set of disc on one hard drive
now that show is done

on Tuesday I use my lunch box its a dj and karaoke mix and I take my laptop as a back up still with me (good)

now its wednesday really big show so I take my 4 foot high rack case in this case have
1 mixer a dull head for my bpm a back up player for my karaoke disc should hoster hard drive fail in the bottom of this rack I have
a good mix of karaoke disc
and a back up player for dj disc should bpm fail
now were have I been illegal no were that I can see I used the same hard drive for all 3 shows on 3 diff computers and now can you see the point

if you have computers to do diff types of shows why be forced to use only one for karaoke and why have a full ver of hoster on each its not necessary only a hoster player is needed in this case
the only thing for full hoster is when working on putting in disc in hoster which could be on your home desk top
this way I have a choice on which computer I want to use on what type of show and what size room and if there are a lot of steps then ill just take the laptop
do you get the point now ok that said

how many of you out there before hoster came out. had your original disc and a back up copy of them most of you I bet.

were you using both to do shows ??????

now you bought hoster and you put your disc on that
now ask your self this are you illegal with a back up disc copy and a hard drive copy of kma files
you now have your original disc and there back up and hosters kma it sounds to me like we have 1 to many copies do you think

at this point who knows

at no time have i ask or suggets to do anything illegal

and even if you had 4 copys of your hard drive as long as you only use one at a time and the shows times do not over lap as far as i know you are not illegal how can you be
and if you are
then you are illegal right now if you
have your back up cdgs and hoster kma they are both copys right
just a diif formate i guess we are wrong because we have 3 ocpys of the disc
your oringal and your cdg copy and your hoster copy

hope this help you follow what i was trying to say mike

Mike,
I Can see where you are coming from. You want Backup systems.

Let me ask you when you bought your laptop, and explained your situation to the computer mfg. did they give you a free Backup computer, and when you decided you needed a lunchbox did they then give you a free lunchbox computer.

The point here is you want to run 3 computers, for backup or whatever. Software does have a tangeable cost. just like the computers. you cant see it, because you see it as something on a disk that should be distributed to every computer you own, or choose to put it on once you own it.

Did you put the same copy of windows, with the same serial number on all 3 computers? If you did you are Illegal.

Just because software comes on a disk, and can be loaded rather than as a physical comodity does not mean it should be handed out like candy. You of all people should know how much time and effort went into Just upgrading this version.

Over 8 months of programming time, and beta testing time. Just like the computers as being a physical commodity, software has a cost involved with the production. I'm sorry if you cant see that. I for one can. You Know me, form the Beta testers. I am not speaking as or for MTU, but this is my take.

Regarding hiding the files from a user on your computer. I think is works fine as long as you are using the computer harddrive, as I am, for your songs. Mine is 80 Gig and 20 Gig are still available after 750 CDG's imported. However, if I fill up the drive, I would need to use an external drive, and this is where the idea of encrypting would be valuable.

gduns
 

WHAT IN THE H### ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

mtu is giving away a whole full ver of hoster does this make money sense?????????

now as far as what I suggested they would most likely make more money selling a player hoster and not giving a sec hoster out

gduns I have bought 4 hoster how many have you bough twhat maybe 1 I don't know so please don't preach to me
you read my post wrong or you would not of posted what you said


David I ask you before ill ask you again PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TAKE MY POST ALL OF THEM OUT OF THIS THREAD I AM REALLY TIRED OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN NOTHING I SAID WAS illegal AND I DID NOT ASK FOR A DAMM THING FOR FREE
I JUST TRIED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HOSTER ON THE HARDWARE SIDE
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST AS I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE NOR WILL I RETURN ANY PM.
I AM SO DONE WITH THIS THEARD

I AM SO DONE WITH GIVING MY OPTION

this thread is getting old !!!

We are way off the subject here, and really, the subject is closed because I posted how to protect your files by hiding them from a user.

I do not know how to remove your posts, so I can't help you there.

ADMIN POSTED:
This was never resolved and I'm inclined to agree with ADMIN. If the .KMA filkes are on a USB hard drive, this should be able to be plugged into any computer that does not have password protection and copied, meaning all this was for naught.

I don't perceive protecting the DJ's property as being MtU's responsibility. If they offer optional encrypring, the user should pay a price for it.

My house didn't come insured, I have to pay for it.

An MD's malpractice insurance isn't included with his license...he pays for it.

The bar owner in which you work doesn't get public liability insurance included in his lease...he pays for it.

You want MTU to go through the expense to protect your property...pay for it.


George

Some bitter people on this thread.

Who said I would not pay for the protection? I would be happy to pay. This is stop gap until something else is available.

Meanwhile, I will have someone more knowledgable then me work with my computer and see if they can make it foolproof.

I have at least figured out how to make Hoster work under a user account so the expert can take it from there. Before I understood about sharing, it would not open.

dlessnau,

Not bitter by any stretch of the imagination..have nothing to be bitter about. Just a common sense business approach..

I was commenting in generality, perhaps targeted more to MTU than anyone.

Don't ever remember directing the post to you to begin with...so why take personal offense?



George

Backups & Such
 

I solved the backup problem. I have 3 sets of CDGs. I bought 5 laptops & 5 Hoster licenses. We do a Max of 3 Karaoke shows per night, but unless all 3 crap out on the same night, we are covered.

A Hoster license cost about 1/2 of what I pay for a wireless microphone, it is a very small cost in relation to everything else involved in running a high quality show.

As far as my DJs copying my hard drives. This would be very bold. If any of my guys suddenly goes into competition with me, it wouldn't take very long to figure out whether they had copied my songs & I would not hesitate to send KAPA after them.

Wayne

Dishonest employee, heres a tip.
 

I have not yet purchased the Hoster software but I do read the forums. First off, that would be totally illegal in all aspects, turn him/her in. Unless the dishonest employee went out and bought ALL originals and a complete rig, Hoster included, at great cost I might add. It would be easy to prove theft, besides, if they already had all this, they would have been working for themselves anyway.

On the other hand, as long as you are using a PC of any sort with an O.S. that has an administrator account and no external drives, use the O.S. in your favor. (NOT WIN 95, 98, 98SE or Me) as hitting cancel gets around almost all account restrictions.

If you have a dishonest employee or think you do get rid of them, it's your show. If you want to keep them or are just paranoid, try the following.

1). Do not use external devices in your shows. Allow CD/DVD burning software to run on the Administrator account only. This way you can still read the disk a patron may bring in.

2). In the system bios, disable as many external ports as it will allow.

3). Stop non-Windows or DOS type file transfers. Do not allow the system to boot from floppy, disable it. Remove it from the bios if your system bios does not allow you to disable it as a boot device.

4). Go into windows hardware configuration and disable external ports, (pcmcia ports on laptops) and network cards for all configurations. As an Administrator you can re-enable them as needed for updates.

5). Do not use PC or laptops with easily removed drives and routinely add and check tamper seals. Make this part of your rig checkout routine. If you don't have a routine, you should, after each show.

6). Maybe the most important thing of all. Do not let them take the system for longer than required to do the show including travel time to and from the site. It takes TIME to copy anything.

With this done there is no worry about encrypting or decrypting problems. :w

Dana