angry not at all
 

From reading your other answer's in the forum I thought you would blame it on hardware
I have been working in a recording studio for 25 years I have seen programs come and go and I don't know how many times the company's blame it on the hardware and 1 to 6 months later they find the cause of the problem which was in there code

Just because 1 to 10 users have the problem doe's not mean it is not real and that doe's not mean it is hardware.
for my m8 3.301 is just fine that player code doe's not have the audio problem in the player
so I don't under stand how you can say it is hardware or his unit

The plan fact here is he has hoster version's that play the songs just fine
and any version after that has this audio problem

His hardware has not changed at all nor has he added any thing in the unit
to change any setting

So call it what you want put the problem on his unit and the other user's if you want too that is up to you.

I put a lot of time in to this to help him and in the long run to help you guys at mtu

my personal thinking here is that your import processes from past version
is conflicting In some way with this new player code and re importing may be the only fix which is not a fix!!

I have run a lot of test on the files and the files in ??? run just fine on other software I have taken them back from kma and made into mp3+g
and imported them from the hard drive and they work well sound great

ill say it one more time so no one miss under stands the files in ??? were imported from clean cd+g disc on 3.301 and before these are the files that have the problem.
and they only have the problem in the new version's
( just thought of one thing here i wonder if the compresion rate has anything to do with this they were done in 96 i dont know what the other users that have this problem used)

I hope you find this I think it may have been there from the start
who knows for sure
please understand I am not angry not at all

I am use to software company saying it's not the software

it's just like taking your car in and they cant find what you are talking about and ten miles down the road it dies on you

sooner or later you will find it
I think I have done all I can for you and my m8

I have sent all the details nad info to your programmer and that is about it for now if we find something else I will send it to him
I am just dealing in fact's here I really don't want to debate this is this forum my time is short

good luck god bless all and have a happy holiday

when i have a problem with something i cant get fixed, i always reformat and that takes care of all the problems.

I temporaily removed the Songs.MDB to a Backup Folder.

I imported STAR DISC #36 Trk #03 directly from the Manufacturer's Disc as BookID Root #1.

The BookID assigned is 103.

Added BookID 103 to the Playlist.

The first time that PLAY was initiated, there was NO Audio repeating at the BEGINNING of the Song.

After Stopping the song, I clicked PLAY and the beginning of the song repeated itself.

Every time the song was Stopped and Started, the Audio repeated itself at the beginning of the Song.

I left the Song in the Playlist, CLOSED Hoster, REOPENED Hoster, and Clicked Play. Again, the Audio repeated itself at the beginning of the Song.

Conclusion:
v3.313 still has the original problem.
v3.313's CD Import does not fix the problem.
I suspect the CDCDG Player Code, as Closing Hoster should have Cleared any Audio Buffer but had NO effect on preventing the REPEATING Audio at the beginning of the Song upon REOPENING Hoster and starting PLAY.

My Thoughts
 

I have to agree with Bill Moore on one point, that this is not a hardware problem. However, even if it is a software problem it may or may not be a Hoster problem.

The statement has been made that the changes to the Hoster player are causing the problem, but as far as I can tell MTU didn't make any changes to the "player" portion of the program (correct me if I am wrong Admin). Much was changed, enhanced and added but the core player hasn't changed.

So what could be causing this problem of leftover data in the audio buffer? Could it possibly be the settings for the sound card? Could it be a non-standard sound card? Microsoft updates (or lack of), firmware provided by the sound card mfg and even bios firmware from the motherboard mfg all can affect these settings. These are the reasons you see here in this forum so many suggestions to keep your Windows updated and your hardware (CD Drive, Video, Sound, and Motherboard) firmware updated.

GD123 - You have proven that re-importing doesn't help and thanks for trying.
Bill and GD123 - I know you say it can't be the hardware and I don't disagree, but would you please list your motherboard/processor and sound card in a post here. There may be some of us out here that have the same or similar equipment which can help with the troubleshooting. Bill if you can please try to find out from all three you have been working with.
It would be good to know if they and GD123 have checked for updates from above mentioned too. This can narrow down the search.

I have no doubt that the MTU staff will also be looking at the code to see if there is some way to fix it from their end too.

Are people missing what i am saying
 

Point if hoster 3.301 and at least 3 version before do not have this problem and which we have loaded at least 3 version and they are all ok

Then we load the last 3 version then how can someone say its the hardware

I am challenging anyone to tell me why the player in 3.301 and before sounds ok and any thing after 3.301 has the problem

let's use common logic here !!!!!

Maybe its not the player code what else in hoster was changed that could have this problem MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING CHANGED IN HOSTER NO ONE WAS TOLD ABOUT!!!!

Or may be it goes back further then 3.301 and it is just now acting up with the changes that have been made after 3.301

ill will be glad to send the files to any one who want to try
just tell me were to send them

And yes all up dates are done
sound blaster live on one
sound blaster z card on the other
at least one gig of mem on each
matrox ,ati 9800 I think
at least 2.6 intel p4 proses
like I said hardware is not the problem since I can get hoster to work with no problem from 3.301 and before

Let me share one thing with you new cars
there is a problem with new cars and that is computers
you and I could have the same car everything the same
but you are having a problem with your car shifting from first to 2nd
you take it in when you get there the services mrg says to you
there is a software update for cars having the problem you do
he says they are
only using this update if the car is having this problem (not all do)

now this happen to me so I know that two cars can be the same
all the way down to the color and come off the same line at the same time and need two diff version of software

he tells me this happins alot now with new cars that have the same every thing made at the same time with the same parts may need some kind of update to the puter

Obviously you aren't listening either since I said I agreed it is not the hardware but could be the Software that runs the hardware. I asked for the hardware only to understand what kind of system we are discussing as unlike cars there are many versions of computers, operating systems, and settings.

Since this seems to be an isolated problem to a very few users then it must be the Hoster software that is causing the problem. Is that your point?

If version 3.301 (3.302 and 3.303 don't work either?) is the one that works for them then maybe they should stick to that version until 4.0 comes out next year and try again then.

let me ask you this ???
 

Bill, thank you for your details. I understand what you are saying. It appears there may be some problem in Hoster that is worsened by certain hardware/software system configs. I think that may be what is happening here. Clearly, 3.301 works fine and 3.313 doesn't for your mate. That's pretty good proof that something in Hoster changed. :c

The other fact is thousands of others have downloaded 3.313 and this is the only Thread reporting this problem. It happens on a very few systems. Go figure! :r

We can search code till the cows come home and not find anything. If we have the problem appear in our testing, we can nail it in a skinny minute. The files you sent up earlier did not re-produce the problem at MTU, so sending more files probably won't either. That's another reason why we all have been saying it is the system config.

We've got a really tight deadline the end of this month that we are working on now. Given the few systems (including your mate's) that exhibit this, I can't shift our focus back to Hoster at this time.

We'll document this and take a look in January at what code changed. We'll compare 3.301 to 3.313, in the code areas that could possibly cause the problem you are reporting.

From the current facts, I expect we will find something deep in Hoster. Just can't do it right now. Sometimes, waiting turns up more folks with the problem and then, one day, a single post contains the key we need to find and solve it. So, we're watching for who else sees this and reports "different" details.

Return your mate to 3.301 for now. That's the only work-around I can offer at this time.

BTW: Ddouglass is not an MTU employee. He is one of our Beta Testers, so he is "closer" than most to what is going on at MTU. He's a fine fellow, and a great technical diagnostician. He has helped many solve problems. I know he's just trying to overcome your and our frustration. He knows MTU hates to have a single problem lurking out there for anyone to hit... and so does he. :c

Bill,
As Admin said I am not an employee of MTU, but just a customer like yourself who has a bit of experience with computers and electronic equipment (I have lost count at 40 yrs :r ). I have always hated frustrating problems like this and I tend to take to it like a dog to a bone. All I was trying to do was to eliminate all possibilities knowing MTU is undermanned and overworked trying to make the best possible programs for us.
Bill from me and mine to you and yours have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.:g :c (Where is the Santa smiley??)

one other thing to add
 

Many users do not take the time to Post.

The problem is mentioned and is current.

Many Users have shows that do NOT sing Country.

Many Users play background music as the next song is queuing. They wouldn't hear the problem.

Many Users are poor KJs...wouldn't care.

Many Users wouldn't know a problem it jumped up at
'em.

Many Users don't care to Post. Why mention the problem again...if it's already stated.

etc..