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FEDUPBLONDE
April 4th, 2003, 02:49 PM
I copy my original Karaoke disc using the microstudio. I then play it and it seems like a good burn. However, when I take it to the karaoke bars, some of the machines will not play. Can anyone tell me why? Is there a certain cdr I should be using? I am totally lost.

Thank you.

danny_g
April 5th, 2003, 03:07 PM
what machine are they using. That may give us more info to go on.

FEDUPBLONDE
April 5th, 2003, 05:36 PM
the machines vary. 2 are JVC's, 1 is a pioneer, and the other is RSQ.

danny_g
April 5th, 2003, 05:37 PM
try reburning them at 1x

FEDUPBLONDE
April 5th, 2003, 05:40 PM
So you are telling me that it is the speed I am burning and not the disc or machines? I am not real smart when it comes to computers and burning. But why 1x?

FEDUPBLONDE
April 5th, 2003, 05:43 PM
Why at 1X?

danny_g
April 5th, 2003, 05:43 PM
some machines especially the JVC's and the RSQ's have problems with copied discs but That info was in the area of home made. The Pioneer I don't know why that would happen. I have found also that certain brads of discs are too cheaply made. I use Memorex now. 1x gives you the best quality burn. the slower the speed- the better the burn. MTUSUPPORT will tell you the same.

FEDUPBLONDE
April 5th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Thank you danny. I will try your advice and let you know. I do appreciate the wisdom.

SteveWalker
April 5th, 2003, 06:34 PM
Yeah I've found that burning at 1x or 2x is much more reliable. Also, I spot check the sound and graphics at song start /end to make sure all is well as I go along. Another thing to do is disable everything down in the lower right corner in the system tray especially Norton AntiVirus. Some of these programs may cause glitches in the data that may show up as junk in the lyrics screen.

Steve

FEDUPBLONDE
April 5th, 2003, 07:57 PM
Thanks Steve. I will also try your suggestion. I do have Norton Antivirus software. I truly appreciate the suggestion.

TKaraoke
April 7th, 2003, 10:05 AM
Also keep in mind that many KJ's use their players, but somehow forget to ever clean the laser, so it is possible on the Pioneer especially that the machine is dirty, I to have seen JVC and RSQ have the problems reading. Good Luck

kstaples
June 5th, 2003, 01:58 PM
The 1X myth should be discarded. If you can record at 40X do it.
I heard about the higher speeds on one of these forums and the
quality of play is much better(I can only go to 12X).
JVC players do have a lot of problems with these disks, but most
of the disks I have made are totally usable.
Also make sure you have the latest version of Kpro.

George
June 5th, 2003, 02:08 PM
Make sure also to use top quality media. I burn at 48X with excellent results using Mitsui silver, and MTU certified Plextor burners.

George

FEDUPBLONDE
June 5th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Thanks. I do use the Mitsui Cdrs. I have used there silver and right now I am trying out they're gold/gold cdrs.

I do have the latest version of Kpro and my burner is capible of 48x.

mlepine
June 5th, 2003, 11:31 PM
FEDUPBLOND,

I don't believe the speed or the media use is the problem.
Try burning a standard audio cd with Microstudio and you will probably get the same result on the machine you try it on.

I notice that some machine have bad tracking and won't fine any track at all.
Does your copy work on any cd player? If yes, it might not be you the problem but the machine at the bars you go to.

Same thing happen when I burn a audio cd with CD Creator, it doesn't play every where but using MusicMatch no problem anywhere.

For the speed I would say the slower the better for the sound quality but if your creating a back up go to the maximum you can.

The Media makes all the difference, you can burn the same song at 2X on 10 different brand & you'll get a different sound on all of them if you play it on a cd player.
When you extract it makes no difference the brand or the speed you use when you did your recording, your extracting the digital data.

Regards

SteveWalker
June 7th, 2003, 12:27 AM
Many of the new CD burners have very large buffers compared to a couple years ago which may eliminate buffer underrun errors and allow higher speeds to be used. This problem either wastes whole CD's or introduces errors in the data.

George
June 7th, 2003, 01:27 AM
Hi Steve, long time no see.

Right on about the buffers. I also see no difference in audio quality in burning at 2X on my Philips cd deck or 48X on the pc.

As far as cdg, in many instances the higher speeds are more forgiving when copying marred discs than slower speeds resulting in a copy that's cleaner than the faulted original.

take care,

George

SteveWalker
June 7th, 2003, 06:08 AM
Hi George,

Good to be back here again. Yeah, the audio quality should be identical supposing there are no data errors introduced. I read a post that claims "audio quality" is better at different speeds, well that may be true when speaking of analog tape recorders and processing in the analog domain but this is ALL digital data (1's and 0's). Audio quality in the digital domain does not change but you can introduce data errors that will show up as pops and noises because the bits reversed the polarity or whatever the case may be. You also can see the data errors in the lyrics screen which may be appear to be missing letters or the like. Using higher speeds such as 24x instead of say 2x is asking the CD drive to read the data 12 times faster. To do this the CD drives spins faster giving the lasar much shorter times to read what's on the CD. It's like watching the INDY cars on the straight-away in 1960 versus watching them today at 220 mph. It's more reliable to read the CD at lower speeds every time but if you can use the highest speed of the drive without problems why not do it.

Steve

terioke
June 10th, 2003, 10:14 PM
Hello all,
As I read the different threads I'm coming up with more questions (and answers)
I'm having the same problem with my JVC 3 tray unit. I've used Maxell 80 min and Imation 74 min...the cdg's I'm burning are gdg's I've created. I'm not copying a karaoke disk. (My machine is less than 5 years old and has just been cleaned)
I was using the Dart program and when in the demo mode I burned a beautiful CDG using the Maxell 80 min and it was burned at 10x. I haven't burned a disk that will play in my JVC since. (it will play in my Dennonett) I've burned at 1x & 2x enabled & disabled error correction as well. I've slosed all other programs...anti virus etc and disconnected from the internet. Which Mistui disks are you using? 80 min or 74? Do these work as well, better or not as well as the mtu silver? I hate to buy 100 of the mtu & find they didn't solve the problem. Which works better in a JVC unit?
In the device mgr the settings for my burner are:
disconnect-checked
sync data-checked
auto insert-not checked
What is dma? How should I set it?
I've been trying to figure this out for many weeks. I've asked Dart for a refund...the customer service is non existant and I'm frustrated beyond repair at this point.
I'm beginning to think that all the time I've poured in to creating all those bin/cdg files has been for nothing and there is no solution for my problem.
I'm ready to jump out of my basement window!
Terioke

wackyquack
June 12th, 2003, 10:40 AM
Terioke

I also use a JVC 303 (3 Tray). I am using Mitsu Digital Audio disc. I am burining cd'g at 18x without error. I have my read speed at auto and my burn speed at 18x. I've copied over 500 disc to date with probably only 3-4 coasters (and thoses were due to my errors). I have not used MTU's disc so I don't know how they compare.

terioke
June 12th, 2003, 09:15 PM
How many gdg have you burned that you 'generated' yourself?
You know importing audio & lyrics and creating cdg files to burn...this is where I'm having the problem..I'm copying fine.
I was informed that the mtu disks are the mitsui with no logo. I ordered a 10 pack from mitsui to see if they will work...if they do I'll go for the 100 spindle.
The next step in trying to solve this burn mystery is to try burning a cdg that has a start up image file for each song. That seems to be the only difference between the disks that work in my jvc & the ones that don't.
I'll let you know how it turns out!

wackyquack
June 12th, 2003, 09:31 PM
Terioke:

I have used KPRO to make cdg's. I sequence midi tracks for songs not available in Karaoke. Have probably done in the ballpark of about 30-40 songs. Still I have good results.

terioke
June 13th, 2003, 10:48 AM
I finally figured it out!
I put in a starting image. This was the only difference in the generated cdg's I burned. The ones with a starting image worked while those that didn't have a starting image did not.
Now I can get on with the fun part!
I appreciate everyone's help.
By the way, I used an 80 min Memorex and burned on 2x
Happy burning to you all!
Terioke

swany
February 12th, 2004, 09:51 PM
Had an interesting expierience at a local pub up here in Mich the guy has good equiptment, RSQ and he uses a JVC303 for dj, I had one of my disks that I made for my daughter, it was father daughter night out. I also had several of mine. I burn at 56X and they play well on my equiptment. I sand a Johnny Cash tune and the graphics were scrambled, I know the tune so it was not a problem for me. But the bar has a lot of patrons that bring their own music and I noticed that some of theirs was getting bad graphic read also ( the bar has about ten monitors) My daughter started to have problems with the one I burned for her. I went up and asked the KJ if he would retry it in the JVC then after told him to clean his RSQ. The rest of the night he used the JVC without a glitch. Just one thing I found that can confuse us. I just try to have fun.

Garry A. Leslie
February 18th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Hello All
Just a few thoughts on this subject
First recording speed is never the reason your discs don't play in other people's machines. Any machine can only read at the speed it was intended to, and the writing speed is immaterial.
Second some of the criticism of KJ's is well founded, here in the UK I know a number of KJ's who look blank when you ask how often they clean their laser. Obviously never.
Also a number of KJ's who have either had their equipment a long time or have bought little more than a kid's party karaoke player
cannot play the copies we make because their equipment was never made to read these discs.
I have a number of players and even the newer ones don't always read MP3, my Fujilink won't allow me to click back on a
CD-R, but on a genuine manufactured disc it will
Just like MTU all the firms out there are constantly fighting a battle to remain at the cutting edge and some cut corners on things they don't think are necessary, how many CD-R/RW players still can't read a CDG disc?
Regards from the UK
Garry

jahern
February 19th, 2004, 01:14 PM
On the matter of burning speed. My personal experience with the discs I use is that if I burn a disc at faster than 6x, the player at the place I like to go to will sometimes not read the graphics.

Now before I get lectures on buying "approved" or "recommended" materials, or that I try out new places: Just know that I am a grown up and can make decisions based on my important factors (cost and convenience being a couple of them)

Burning at 6x the speed for performance discs works well for me with my materials.

Garry A. Leslie
February 19th, 2004, 02:01 PM
Hello,
I have burned discs at every speed from 1x to 48x (my current writer) and on quite a number of different makes of discs including some extremely cheapo ones.
The main problem with cheap discs is they aren't particularly
robust enough to last very long, their coatings being easily damaged. With discs in the UK selling at 1.5 pence, about 2.5 cents there is no problem burning new ones.
Anyway most KJ's treat someone else's discs worst than their own.
I haven't had any problems playing ones I have burned even the cheap ones, on any of a number of machines I have owned.
I still believe that the machines some KJ's use are older and not capable of keeping up with the mad rush of technology
Why should they bother as long as the machine plays their discs
If anyone knows what plays best at their favourite watering hole, all the better.
I took Alan Jackson's "Remember When" to one particular spot I use, to show off, I like to be ahead of the game, it wouldn't play!!
I am in New Orleans next week, anyone know anywhere good to sing there
Regards from across the Pond
Garry